isaac5 wrote:

I wrote:

it's compeley dfferent

so no i did not say that

in spidey his powers are in his DNA superman alike, but the force is an outside FORCE, in other words an outside influence which you cannot use in this fight

Not according to George Lucas, watch Episode 1 for a nice recounting of Midichlorians, the symbiotic lifeform that communicates the will of the Force.

ALL people have em, but only a few can "hear" them (Jedi training). And since the Force is an inherent property due to the existence of life itself, the only way to get rid of the Force is to kill all life in the universe. Which makes your argument moot from the outset.

Its easy to give this one to Luke. You have to take both characters as is, i.e. presented as is in the media upon which they appear.

Aragorn may be a beast of a fighter, but swords in LOTR can be broken by stepping on them. Aragorn has little to no offensive magic, although he does have a nice knife.

Luke Skywalker could just Mind Trick him, it seems every person in LOTR is heavily susceptible to visions and waking dreams. And even Jedi can use the Force in "non-lethal" offensive ways such as Force Push. Jedi can deflect blaster bolts travelling at near light speed with their sabers, I doubt an arrow fired from a bow would be much of a threat.

If you continue arguing by saying Luke can't use Force Powers, then that invalidates the argument completely, as his character by Episode 6 is defined as a Jedi, the powers are part of the package. Perhaps not genetic, but he did inherit a lot of his Force potential from his father, so its at least partially related to Biology (even before the Midichlorian debacle).

Also, its apparent from both genres the level of damage. A strike from Aragorn's sword is frequently not immediately lethal, he sometimes has to chop two or three times with a heavy sword to kill an orc.

A strike from a Jedi's lightsaber is almost instantly lethal in every instance, barring the cutting off of limbs for dramatic effect and the cauterizing effect of lightsabers. Luke could take a hit and give one of his own even, slaying Aragorn instantly and then using the Force to heal.

Don't even get me started on the EU version of Luke, who is demi-god like in his power and ability.

isaac5 wrote:

I wrote:

it's compeley dfferent

so no i did not say that

in spidey his powers are in his DNA superman alike, but the force is an outside FORCE, in other words an outside influence which you cannot use in this fight

Dude, minichlorians are in lukes blood stream, they are part of his dna and they werent injected, live with it the force is part of luke bound by as you said dna!

So if you want to get rid of the force, you have to first get rid of aragons skill with the sword, becuase that shure isnt written into his dna!

Kaleban wrote:

isaac5 wrote:

I wrote:

it's compeley dfferent

so no i did not say that

in spidey his powers are in his DNA superman alike, but the force is an outside FORCE, in other words an outside influence which you cannot use in this fight

Not according to George Lucas, watch Episode 1 for a nice recounting of Midichlorians, the symbiotic lifeform that communicates the will of the Force.

luke was not in episode 1 so technically those medicrappians that GL ruined the idea of the force with aren't with luke, even if they were the force is not around him for theem to control!!
Kaleban wrote:

ALL people have em, but only a few can "hear" them (Jedi training). And since the Force is an inherent property due to the existence of life itself, the only way to get rid of the Force is to kill all life in the universe. Which makes your argument moot from the outset.

he is not in that universe with no connection to any other life!! so he has no force to control

Kaleban wrote:

Its easy to give this one to Luke. You have to take both characters as is, i.e. presented as is in the media upon which they appear.

what?

Kaleban wrote:

Aragorn may be a beast of a fighter, but swords in LOTR can be broken by stepping on them. Aragorn has little to no offensive magic, although he does have a nice knife.

i doubt luke knows anything about LOTR becaus he lived a long long time before LOTR in a galaxy far away from it, so he needs to learn everything about him first
Kaleban wrote:

Luke Skywalker could just Mind Trick him, it seems every person in LOTR is heavily susceptible to visions and waking dreams. And even Jedi can use the Force in "non-lethal" offensive ways such as Force Push. Jedi can deflect blaster bolts travelling at near light speed with their sabers, I doubt an arrow fired from a bow would be much of a threat.

HE DOESNT HAVE CONNECTION TO ANY OTHER BEINGS FROM HIS UNIVERSE HE CANNNOT USE JEDI POWERS WITHOUT THAT CONECTION!!!

Kaleban wrote:

If you continue arguing by saying Luke can't use Force Powers, then that invalidates the argument completely, as his character by Episode 6 is defined as a Jedi, the powers are part of the package. Perhaps not genetic, but he did inherit a lot of his Force potential from his father, so its at least partially related to Biology (even before the Midichlorian debacle).

Kaleban wrote:

Also, its apparent from both genres the level of damage. A strike from Aragorn's sword is frequently not immediately lethal, he sometimes has to chop two or three times with a heavy sword to kill an orc.

Well, the Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy
field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us.
It binds the galaxy together.

the force gives power, it isnt power thus it is not a dna ability

Kaleban wrote:

A strike from a Jedi's lightsaber is almost instantly lethal in every instance, barring the cutting off of limbs for dramatic effect and the cauterizing effect of lightsabers. Luke could take a hit and give one of his own even, slaying Aragorn instantly and then using the Force to heal.

we already said that with a light saber Aragorn has no cance which is why Luke has a sword

Deathtime456 wrote:

isaac5 wrote:

I wrote:

it's compeley dfferent

so no i did not say that

in spidey his powers are in his DNA superman alike, but the force is an outside FORCE, in other words an outside influence which you cannot use in this fight

Dude, minichlorians are in lukes blood stream, they are part of his dna and they werent injected, live with it the force is part of luke bound by as you said dna!

So if you want to get rid of the force, you have to first get rid of aragons skill with the sword, becuase that shure isnt written into his dna!

the force is not around luke but the medichlorians are and they cannot control the force i they are in a universe that has the force!!!

How can the force not be around him? As long as they're not fighting in outer space (in which both would instantly die) there's going to be some form of universe/life for him to communicate with.

And you can't just say isaac5 wrote:

luke was not in episode 1 so technically those medicrappians that GL ruined the idea of the force with aren't with luke, even if they were the force is not around him for theem to control!!

You can't throw something out because you don't like it! And it doesn't matter wich episode he put it in, it applies to every movie (which is probably why he put it in the 1st episode, so everyone knows how exactly the force works).

And besides mettichlorians are a life form (writtin in his DNA) that communicate with the will of the force (which is apparantly everywhere, including outer space. If you don't believe me, watch episode IV).

Also, if luke doesn't have any powers, then he isn't Luke anymore, he's just a regular person. The only way you could rationalize that is by taking away Aaragon's sword-fighting capabilities

animal wrote:

How can the force not be around him? As long as they're not fighting in outer space (in which both would instantly die) there's going to be some form of universe/life for him to communicate with.

NOT ANY FROM HIS UNIVERSE

animal wrote:

And you can't just say isaac5 wrote:

luke was not in episode 1 so technically those medicrappians that GL ruined the idea of the force with aren't with luke, even if they were the force is not around him for theem to control!!

You can't throw something out because you don't like it! And it doesn't matter wich episode he put it in, it applies to every movie (which is probably why he put it in the 1st episode, so everyone knows how exactly the force works).

ok well they still have no force around him to control cause he has no ther being from his universe to communicate with!! that's is like aking a laptop to mars and emailing with it

animal wrote:

And besides mettichlorians are a life form (writtin in his DNA) that communicate with the will of the force (which is apparantly everywhere, including outer space. If you don't believe me, watch episode IV).

they are not in lukes univers so there is no force to communicate with!!!

animal wrote:

Also, if luke doesn't have any powers, then he isn't Luke anymore, he's just a regular person. The only way you could rationalize that is by taking away Aaragon's sword-fighting capabilities

THE FORCE IS A FORCE THAT FILLS LUKE'S UNIVERSE IT IS NOT PART OF LUKE!!! LUKE IS JUST ABLE TO TAP INTO IT, IF THEY ARE IN A DIFFERENT UNIVERSE THAT ONLY HAS LUKE ARAGORN AND WHAT THEY REQUIRE TO LIVE THAN LUKE CANNOT TAP INTO THE FORCE!!!!

How can you say the force is only in his universe? Anything dealing with life is universal. Life works the exact same on Earth, as it does on Tatooine, as it does on Krypton, as it does on any planet with life. So it doesn't matter where they fight, all that's important is that there's life.

wait are you trying to tel me that not only the force is real but krypton is real to?

In their particular universes, yes. Technically nothing in the "who would win in a fight?" thread is real (relative to us on Earth, of course), but in order to make things fair, they are all real so that we can have a good debate.

is luke the force?

That's not the point. The point is that he can use the force.

Think about it like this: Harry Potter isn't the magic, but he can manipulate wands to be magical.

yeas it is, you didn't answer me

He can still use the force, so he basically is.

Besides, you can't have a "Who Would Win..." and then say they can't use their powers. That's ineffectual

no just answer me!

is luke the force?

yes/no

No.

But by that logic, Batman couldn't use any of his weapons

okay, did luke ever use the force as a weapon?

duh

Did luke ever use te force as a weapon?

I said yea already

if aragorn had a lightsaber, he'd probably win, or at least it would be a fair fight

yes but if were just regular both of them luke would win, becuase those are the rules origonaly set up! Every thing about them there identity, wepons, abliitys, special abilitys, are what they were from the movies they were in!! Isaac thinks that they should both should have the same everything but hair color skin color and names!

Death_n_Taxes wrote:

if aragorn had a lightsaber, he'd probably win, or at least it would be a fair fight

they both have swords

Deathtime456 wrote:

yes but if were just regular both of them luke would win, becuase those are the rules origonaly set up! Every thing about them there identity, wepons, abliitys, special abilitys, are what they were from the movies they were in!! Isaac thinks that they should both should have the same everything but hair color skin color and names!

no the force is not an ability, if i recall Luke never used the force as a weapon, but the force will not leave his universe anyway! like Noah said earlier

My Older Brother wrote:

Think of it like electricity. We can use it to power a light bulb, but when apart from then socket, a light bulb has no ability to produce light.

Isaac- Stop making up your own rules

what you have an electric light-bulb that works without electricity?

isaac5 wrote:

Deathtime456 wrote:

yes but if were just regular both of them luke would win, becuase those are the rules origonaly set up! Every thing about them there identity, wepons, abliitys, special abilitys, are what they were from the movies they were in!! Isaac thinks that they should both should have the same everything but hair color skin color and names!

no the force is not an ability, if i recall Luke never used the force as a weapon, but the force will not leave his universe anyway! like Noah said earlier

My Older Brother wrote:

Think of it like electricity. We can use it to power a light bulb, but when apart from then socket, a light bulb has no ability to produce light.

You are wrong again, the force is every where in every universe, if you have ever played soul caliber 4 you would know that darth Vader, his apprentice and yoda all traveld to a different universe and they were still able to use the force!

isaac5 wrote:

luke was not in episode 1 so technically those medicrappians that GL ruined the idea of the force with aren't with luke, even if they were the force is not around him for theem to control!!

The midichlorians are established in Episode 1 as the basis for the Force. As they are inherent to the existence of all life, then the Force exists wherever life does.

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he is not in that universe with no connection to any other life!! so he has no force to control

If you're going to assume that Luke visits Middle Earth, then how are you being fair? Might as well assume Aragorn got sucked into the SW universe. That's hardly sporting. The simplest thing to do is assume a neutral arena where both characters have full access to all their established abilities.

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what?

To have a fair comparison, you can't take anything away from the characters, because that unbalances the results.

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i doubt luke knows anything about LOTR becaus he lived a long long time before LOTR in a galaxy far away from it, so he needs to learn everything about him first

Uh again, you're assuming Luke gets teleported to the LOTR world, which is an argumental fallacy. Why wouldn't Aragorn have to learn all about Luke and the Force before facing him? Seems to me you just want to skew the result in favor of Aragorn...

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HE DOESNT HAVE CONNECTION TO ANY OTHER BEINGS FROM HIS UNIVERSE HE CANNNOT USE JEDI POWERS WITHOUT THAT CONECTION!!!

So again, you're assuming Luke goes to Middle Earth. Take another example, Iron Man Vs. Wall-E, by your logic I could say that Iron-Man goes to Wall-E's world, and since he doesn't have access to his automated workshop, lab and robots, he can't build an Iron-Man suit, so it ends up being just Tony Stark against Wall-E. By your logic anyways, seems quite silly right?

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Well, the Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy
field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us.
It binds the galaxy together.

the force gives power, it isnt power thus it is not a dna ability

Reading comprehension is your friend. By your own quote, you prove yourself wrong. If the Force is created by all living things, and all living things possess DNA, then what's the problem? Also, if you're going to say that only DNA powers are supported, than Aragorn can't use magic, he can't use his sword or weapons because these are learned abilities, he can't walk or talk, or anything else that is learned. Not much of a fight...

Besides, you're the only one who brought up the DNA connection, which is irrelevant to this matchup since neither of the combatants have genetic superpowers, although being a Jedi comes close because the potential can be passed down genetically.

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we already said that with a light saber Aragorn has no cance which is why Luke has a sword

Then you totally invalidate your argument. Luke's character includes a lightsaber, not to mention the Force. If you remove these abilities, than it is no longer Aragorn Vs. Luke Skywalker, its Aragorn versus some random guy with no combat abilities. So see, its YOU that said no lightsaber to give your preferred character a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

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in spidey his powers are in his DNA superman alike, but the force is an outside FORCE, in other words an outside influence which you cannot use in this fight

The Force is internal and external, otherwise they would not be able to use mind powers, healing of the self are enhanced acrobatics. Besides, if your condition for the fight is only DNA based abilities, then no sword, bow, knife, hand to hand ability, armor for Aragorn either.

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the force is not around luke but the medichlorians are and they cannot control the force i they are in a universe that has the force!!!

Again, it must be a neutral area where both characters have access to their portrayed range of abilities, otherwise it is not a fair contest. You're just a fanboy for Aragorn, live with the fact that Skywalker would kick his butt six ways from Sunday and move on.

Aragorn wins. if luke had any proper jedi honor, he would give him a lightsaber and promise not to use the force. aragorn would easily beat him then. and luke doesn't need to do that anyway. Aragorn just needs to call in his army of the dead, and luke is taken out easily. i know i might be a little unfair here though. but i'm reading the lord of the rings, and Aragorn just doesn't deserve to lose as he's fearlessly protecting those poor hobbits from the dark riders.