if we're going on movie versions then it's Aragorn without a doubt so long as the weapons are equal. He's a complete badass in his action sequences, and even in Return of the Jedi the saber fighting is pretty rudimentary.

If we go by lore, it's not really a fair fight at all. Luke's force powers would give him a serious edge.

Aragorn was a bad-a$$ed fighter with that sword. Perhaps Luke is not the best lightsaber fighter from the Star Wars universe to pare him up with. How about letting Yoda fight him?

On the topic, have you ever held a sword? Those things are heavy. You would have to been in great shape and strong to swing one around the way Aragorn did. Most people would tire quickly.

Luke... the saber would slice right through that sword! Woooo!!

I think luke would win all he has to do is use the force on him and rip him a new one with his lightsaber that is if he used the darkside of the force he wouldn't even need a sword to fight him. All he would have to do in that case was use the force crush or force lightning and the fight will be over.

luke would probably win unless they both had lightsabers; the fighting done in starwars looks complicated, but is actually more about confusing your opponent (hence the spinning of the lightsabers), if you fought with a light saber like you do with a real sword (and you were really good), you'd probably see Aragorn winning. now, with Aragorn's arrow, luke could probably stop them all, but if one was to be aimed directly at his hand, he might not be able to stop it... and Aragorn is that good of a shot.

EASY! The force beats Aragons magic by a long shot, and in space theres no trees to strangle people with! A quick force kill and Arogons dead!

According to strictly lore, I would say that Aragorn would win, despite the insane advantage of the force, because Aragorn was driven by a fate that was bigger than himself. Luke on the other hand was not, it was his father that had that fate. Luke merely acted as a catalyst for the grand finale of Anakin/Vader's doom.

And remember, Yoda had taught Luke to only use the Force in defence, never to attack (an ideal that his forbearers certainly didn't hold to), so it essentially falls to actual combat skills. In contrast to the movie's version of Aragorn, he was certainly the most deadly of the fellowship with the only exception of Gandalf, and had never in his 80+ years been defeated in combat. He carried no weapon but a broken sword and chased off 5 Nazgul with a flaming stick for crying out loud!

Aragorn would so take Luke's head off! Luke's time spent sword fighting vs Aragorn's can not even compare. Force or not, Luke's just a learner. Aragorn is far more experienced.

I imagine Luke would use the force the only way he knows how and use it to pull objects towards him to help him fight with, to which Aragorn would just chop them in half with his wicked sword. And if Luke were smart enough to try and force choke Aragorn, he'd just get a dagger thrown back at his face and die with ease.

Aragorn Wins.

even as a devout Star Wars fan I'd say that Aragorn has this one. If you watch episode six you'll notice when Luke is fighting Darth Vader his fighting is not fluid or smooth like the other jedi. He fights with very robotic and stoic motions while Aragorn is a master of any kind of sword combat. I just think that if the weapons are equal and the force is not involved then Aragorn wins.

I agree with everything that has been said, but I think that is exactly the reason Luke wins or gets a stalemate.

In New Hope, when Luke is training with remotes the training isn't to learn a fighting style, but learning to use the force to anticipate attacks.
So what he lacks in skill he makes up in his force abilities to see future attacks. This is the same reason Anakin as a little kid is able to win the podrace against experienced drivers with better pods.

Luke's skills is based on his ability to use the force not a weapon. He is more of a wizard type then a warrior. You can't take away the force and still call him a Jedi. In other canon writings the lightsaber's importance is it's ability to help a jedi focus his use of the force.

Aragon is stronger and more skilled, but Luke will just be able to parry all his attacks without getting as tired. On offense, all Luke can do is hack away with his sword, so in the end if Luke can't use the force offensively then its a stalemate. If he can, then he wins.

I agree with a stalemate. If you notice Luke never even learns to use the force offensively. Not once in any movie does he use a force push as an attack. SO Luke's only force advantage is like aforementioned foresight. SO I think it would be a stalemate as well.

The foresee the future argument is good, and would have me agree with the stalemate scenareo...if Luke was actually good at it. Don't get me wrong, Luke is hard-core, but even in Return of the Jedi Luke shows his unreadiness to be called a Jedi. He doesn't foresee the fact that the floor is about to fall out from under him in Jabba's Palace, nor does he see the fact that his hand is about to be shot on his luxury desert cruise.

Given his lack of training in weaponry, compared to Aragorn that is, he simply can't hope to be able to react to the future and present while recovering from the past (previous attack) all at the same time. Take it from a fencer, even with foresight it would be difficult for a novice to react to an expert's attacks in time for it to be of worth. Sword fighting is kind of like trying to play a game of chess at 90 mph, even knowing your opponent's plan, it is often difficult to prevent its success (I know this from training excercises in which I do know my opponent's plan).

touche! No pun intended. (my keyboard doesn't have any accents to put on touche)

I believe we are taking Luke and Aragon at their best. Luke does become a jedi once he faces Vader again.
And as a Jedi he takes on and defeats the most powerful jedi of all time, Vader.

Which in reality you'd think it wouldn't be possible. If you look at episode 3 Obi-Wan and Anakin are capable of all these amazing things including having a force push showdown. Even though Vader is a little clunky in the suit he still has all the power from his younger self. Compared to Luke's skills Vader is a God so how did he lose? But back to the argument even at Luke's best he still has very little professional prowess compared to Aragorn. Don' get me wrong, Luke is my hero but I don't think he can cut it.

The point I had made before is that the force gives an overwhelming advantage to the Jedi that even an noob can be a pro.
Think about how Anakin as a little kid (not even a jedi) with a podracer made out of spare parts, beat an entire field of professionals.

It seems that when a Jedi begins channeling both the light/dark side of the force in the beginning, since he hasen't been depleted from dark side use yet, he has a god like boost of power to overcome anyone.
Luke starts to go dark in Episode 6 and in takes down Vader...Anakin in Episode 3, starts to go dark and wipes out the Jedi temple. It's doesn't last, but the effect is overwhelming.

Actually Anakin's pod wasn't just a bunch of spare parts. I believe it was the wrecked pod of a champion pod racer before Sabulba came along. But of course Sabulba being the pile of bantha fodder he is sabotaged the racer causing the champ to crash. Anakin found the parts and fixed it up. So the racer always had the potential to win, but as you said Anakin's tie to the force was crucial to his winning.

I'd have to say stalemate. Luke has the force but Aragorn is a way better fighter definite stalemate.

I'd have to say that Aragorn wins. Luke is only in his 20's, and consequently has not had many years of training. Aragorn, on the other han, has been fighting with a broadsword for around 70 years. And the fact that he is part elven and has the senses of a Dunedain more than make up for the lack of the force.

Luke ftw.

air ah gorn

There are several flaws to this argument ..

First, despite the fact that "chronologically" they are the first three movies, they are in fact the LAST three movies and thus have access to better technology and special effects -- For example in Star Wars, the first movie (chrono IV), Vader "force-chokes" somebody with the awesome special effect of a man grabbing at his throat and gasping for air while Vader holds up his hand! Contrast that with the last movie made (chrono III) "force-push" battle that Annakin/Obi-Wan engage in while simultaneously saber-fighting! Unfortunately, it's not about ability but movie tech -- sort of like the fight in III vs. the same two (older, wiser, stronger? warriors) in IV. I motion that Force effects are ruled out.

Sword fighting -- Watch Antonio Banderas as Zorro. Watch Tyrone Powers. Same character, same fictional abilities, vastly different movie making styles -- and Powers was actually a skilled swordsman. For the sake of the battle, assume Luke fights as well or better than Annakin/Obi-Wan.

Weapons -- It is indeed true that a lightsaber weapon could and should make white-hot molten slag out of a regular broadsword or similar weapon. Then again, stopping the blade of the undead, and having enough might to cut the ring of power from Sauron's hand as "the flame of the West" did should count for something. Weapons roughly equivalent.

So .. how does the fight go? Aragorn cuts Luke's throat while he's whinning about having to fight the guy with the long metal thing!

That or Luke becomes and all-you-kill-buffet which Gimli and Legolas both try to take credit for! :P

if luke used his saber then aragorn would end up with half a sword and no head

Well Luke uses the force offensively by force chocking the pig guards in return of the Jedi, he could do that to incapacitate and force Aragon to surrender.

I got to this one a little late but the argument of Luke not being able to handle the weight of a real sword is a bit short-sighted. The original concept for the lightsaber was the fact that there was this beam of energy which would actual have a great deal of mass. If you watch how they hold the lightsabers in the original trilogy it dose not seem like an easy weapon to wield. But sword play aside Luke has the force...end of argument.

Aragorn would cut off Luke's head. Luke doesn't have nearly as much experience as Aragorn,and Aragorn is really a good fighter and has the upper hand.
Aragorn Wins!!!!!!!!

Luke = KNIGHT
Aragorn = KING

KING > KNIGHT

Aragorn could even command Luke's Midichlorians, and make him dance around like a puppet!

Luke: "Ah, we meet at last!" (draws his lightsaber)

Aragorn to Luke: ""Oh really?
STOP HITTING YOURSELF! STOP HITTING YOURSELF! STOP HITTING YOURSELF!"
:lol:

However if you're talking about the movie-dweeb Aragorn, then yeah even Urkel could beat him.

Dukeoftacos wrote:

I got to this one a little late but the argument of Luke not being able to handle the weight of a real sword is a bit short-sighted. The original concept for the lightsaber was the fact that there was this beam of energy which would actual have a great deal of mass. If you watch how they hold the lightsabers in the original trilogy it dose not seem like an easy weapon to wield. But sword play aside Luke has the force...end of argument.

Um, a beam of energy has mass? You realize that 1 ounce of energy is equal a 1 megaton bomb? So a 7-lb sword would be equal to over 100 megatons; this sounds like an exaggeration worthy of Mike Wong.

As for the lightsabers in the original trilogy, IIRC they were metal rods of polished chrome, which WERE heavy (except for David Prowse, who really WAS strong enough to pick a guy up with one hand just like he did in "Clockwork Orange). These were later replaced with plastic ones that could be whipped around at high speed as seen in the prequels.

GringoDingo wrote:

As for the lightsabers in the original trilogy, IIRC they were metal rods of polished chrome, which WERE heavy (except for David Prowse, who really WAS strong enough to pick a guy up with one hand just like he did in "Clockwork Orange). These were later replaced with plastic ones that could be whipped around at high speed as seen in the prequels.

Yeah, I was watching the special features in the original trilogy the other day, and it was told to the actors to handle their sabers like "a fifty megaton hammer" or something like that.